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Niisiis objektide mõõtmed:
ELFA 2008 kataloog: 276x211x45 mm
Battery purk : 115 mm kõrge, 67 mm diameeter
* Is it allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm? (I guess so)
* Is it allowed to make modifications to robot hardware and software between rounds? (I guess so; any constraints?)
* Is it allowed to move catalogues around? (I guess so)
* Is it allowed to navigate roughly by tactile collision detection? (Does it incur penalty if a robot accidentally makes a scar or bump on any object?)
* Are the Battery cans attracted by magnet? What's their weight?
* Can we rely on the cans and catalogues all being notably dark color, non-white? Any specific colors?
* Any constraints on activation and shutdown procedure? Can we use a simple on/off tumbler switch? (I guess so)
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Is it allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm? (I guess so)
-It is not.
* Is it allowed to make modifications to robot hardware and software between rounds? (I guess so; any constraints?)
-Yes, as long as the modifications meet the rules, meaning that you cant install a gas engine on it, or something like that.
* Is it allowed to move catalogues around? (I guess so)
-Yes it is.
* Is it allowed to navigate roughly by tactile collision detection? (Does it incur penalty if a robot accidentally makes a scar or bump on any object?)
-Yes it is.
* Are the Battery cans attracted by magnet? What's their weight?
-They are not, these are aluminum cans. They weigh 10-20 grams? A rough estimate.
* Any constraints on activation and shutdown procedure? Can we use a simple on/off tumbler switch? (I guess so)
No there are not, as long as your switching stays within reason, eg. you wont jump onto the robot with your foot to start it.
Very nice answers altogether. (Edit: just why " Anonüümne"?)
Could you please elaborate on the first answer about dimensions with regard to carried objects? Do you mean that objects, once in control of the robot, effectively become a part of it (that seems unintuitive, might be good to update the rules) - and one must stringently design any cargo tray in/atop the robot so that objects stay within the 400x400x400 cube while carried?
But it is allowed to carry arbitrary number of objects simultaneously, as long as they stay within that space, right?
Some more things that I thought of:
* What environment (e.g., table, power outlets, network, trial area) will be provided there for a team at the competition site?
* Will it be possible to run tests on the competition field (without the final object locations, but with the actual objects and approximate lighting conditions, for instance)?
* Is it allowed for a part of the robot to lean over the field wall? (Like, for the purpose of detecting the edge)
* Beacons "in every corner of the field .. must be in contact with the corner": is that specifically inside or outside the wall, or on top of it?
Firstly, You should now be able to post a new topic if there will be a need for this. Let me know if the problem still exists.
* Could you please elaborate on the first answer about dimensions with regard to carried objects? Do you mean that objects, once in control of the robot, effectively become a part of it (that seems unintuitive, might be good to update the rules) - and one must stringently design any cargo tray in/atop the robot so that objects stay within the 400x400x400 cube while carried?
- I will come back to this question as soon as possible and let you know about the answer.
* But it is allowed to carry arbitrary number of objects simultaneously, as long as they stay within that space, right?
- Yes, it is allowed.
Some more things that I thought of:
* What environment (e.g., table, power outlets, network, trial area) will be provided there for a team at the competition site?
- There will be separate areas with tables, power outlets for participating teams. There will be also network and trial area in the preparation area.
* Will it be possible to run tests on the competition field (without the final object locations, but with the actual objects and approximate lighting conditions, for instance)?
- It should be possible the night before. I'm not quite sure yet if it will be possible in the morning before the competition, but hopefully there will be also a hour for testing. But I suggest to be on the competition site at least a day before. There will be also a test run 2 weeks before the competition (21.11.2008) when we try to meet the conditions that will be in the competition day but there won't be any guaranties that they will.
* Is it allowed for a part of the robot to lean over the field wall? (Like, for the purpose of detecting the edge)
- No, there isn't. The competition rules are put together to be as similar to the real room cleaning as possible. So the field wall should act like the room wall, that isn't penetratable.
* Beacons "in every corner of the field .. must be in contact with the corner": is that specifically inside or outside the wall, or on top of it?
- They have to be inside the field and in contact with the floor.
Let us know if you have any more questions. There will be also FAQ on the page for Frequently asked questions about the competition in the near future.
We can also send you some examples of the cans, socks and if needed than also for catalogues. Let us know by e-mail (robotex(at)robotex.ee) if you would like to have them ;)
1. Is it allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm? (I guess so)
-It is not.
A: The first answer wasn't correct.
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2. Could you please elaborate on the first answer about dimensions with regard to carried objects? Do you mean that objects, once in control of the robot, effectively become a part of it (that seems unintuitive, might be good to update the rules) - and one must stringently design any cargo tray in/atop the robot so that objects stay within the 400x400x400 cube while carried?
- I will come back to this question as soon as possible and let you know about the answer.
A: Right answer:
A: It is allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm. But no part of robot may exceed those measurements (e.g a rope, wire,..).
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Objektide mõõtmed
Tere!
Teen otsa lahti esimese postitusega. Loodame näha siin foorumis tulevikus tihedaid arutelusid, mitte ainult võistlusülesande üle, vaid ka teistel huvitavatel teemadel. Nagu märkasite, on foorumi pealkirjad kakskeelsed. See on selleks, et võimaldada ka kaasrobotiehitajatel väljaspool Eestit seda foorumit kasutada.
Niisiis objektide mõõtmed:
ELFA 2008 kataloog: 276x211x45 mm
Battery purk : 115 mm kõrge, 67 mm diameeter
Extra clarification request
Hi!
* Is it allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm? (I guess so)
* Is it allowed to make modifications to robot hardware and software between rounds? (I guess so; any constraints?)
* Is it allowed to move catalogues around? (I guess so)
* Is it allowed to navigate roughly by tactile collision detection? (Does it incur penalty if a robot accidentally makes a scar or bump on any object?)
* Are the Battery cans attracted by magnet? What's their weight?
* Can we rely on the cans and catalogues all being notably dark color, non-white? Any specific colors?
* Any constraints on activation and shutdown procedure? Can we use a simple on/off tumbler switch? (I guess so)
P.S. "Login to post a new forum topic." resulted just in "You are not allowed to post a new forum topic." so I commented here. Please move if inappropriate.
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Is it allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm? (I guess so)
-It is not.
* Is it allowed to make modifications to robot hardware and software between rounds? (I guess so; any constraints?)
-Yes, as long as the modifications meet the rules, meaning that you cant install a gas engine on it, or something like that.
* Is it allowed to move catalogues around? (I guess so)
-Yes it is.
* Is it allowed to navigate roughly by tactile collision detection? (Does it incur penalty if a robot accidentally makes a scar or bump on any object?)
-Yes it is.
* Are the Battery cans attracted by magnet? What's their weight?
-They are not, these are aluminum cans. They weigh 10-20 grams? A rough estimate.
* Can we rely on the cans and catalogues all being notably dark color, non-white? Any specific colors?
-The cans will not be painted, nor the catalogues. The socks should be all black. The catalogue looks like this;
http://www.elfaelektroonika.ee/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?ccat=1&page=peameny...
The cans look like this;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Battery_energy_drink....
* Any constraints on activation and shutdown procedure? Can we use a simple on/off tumbler switch? (I guess so)
No there are not, as long as your switching stays within reason, eg. you wont jump onto the robot with your foot to start it.
Regards,
EDIT
Sorry, forgot;
(Does it incur penalty if a robot accidentally makes a scar or bump on any object?)
You will probably be added some extra time?
Regards,
Thanks
Very nice answers altogether. (Edit: just why " Anonüümne"?)
Could you please elaborate on the first answer about dimensions with regard to carried objects? Do you mean that objects, once in control of the robot, effectively become a part of it (that seems unintuitive, might be good to update the rules) - and one must stringently design any cargo tray in/atop the robot so that objects stay within the 400x400x400 cube while carried?
But it is allowed to carry arbitrary number of objects simultaneously, as long as they stay within that space, right?
Some more things that I thought of:
* What environment (e.g., table, power outlets, network, trial area) will be provided there for a team at the competition site?
* Will it be possible to run tests on the competition field (without the final object locations, but with the actual objects and approximate lighting conditions, for instance)?
* Is it allowed for a part of the robot to lean over the field wall? (Like, for the purpose of detecting the edge)
* Beacons "in every corner of the field .. must be in contact with the corner": is that specifically inside or outside the wall, or on top of it?
Answers
Hi,
Firstly, You should now be able to post a new topic if there will be a need for this. Let me know if the problem still exists.
* Could you please elaborate on the first answer about dimensions with regard to carried objects? Do you mean that objects, once in control of the robot, effectively become a part of it (that seems unintuitive, might be good to update the rules) - and one must stringently design any cargo tray in/atop the robot so that objects stay within the 400x400x400 cube while carried?
- I will come back to this question as soon as possible and let you know about the answer.
* But it is allowed to carry arbitrary number of objects simultaneously, as long as they stay within that space, right?
- Yes, it is allowed.
Some more things that I thought of:
* What environment (e.g., table, power outlets, network, trial area) will be provided there for a team at the competition site?
- There will be separate areas with tables, power outlets for participating teams. There will be also network and trial area in the preparation area.
* Will it be possible to run tests on the competition field (without the final object locations, but with the actual objects and approximate lighting conditions, for instance)?
- It should be possible the night before. I'm not quite sure yet if it will be possible in the morning before the competition, but hopefully there will be also a hour for testing. But I suggest to be on the competition site at least a day before. There will be also a test run 2 weeks before the competition (21.11.2008) when we try to meet the conditions that will be in the competition day but there won't be any guaranties that they will.
* Is it allowed for a part of the robot to lean over the field wall? (Like, for the purpose of detecting the edge)
- No, there isn't. The competition rules are put together to be as similar to the real room cleaning as possible. So the field wall should act like the room wall, that isn't penetratable.
* Beacons "in every corner of the field .. must be in contact with the corner": is that specifically inside or outside the wall, or on top of it?
- They have to be inside the field and in contact with the floor.
Let us know if you have any more questions. There will be also FAQ on the page for Frequently asked questions about the competition in the near future.
Sincerely,
Martin Kontus
Robotex 2008 project manager
Additionaly
We can also send you some examples of the cans, socks and if needed than also for catalogues. Let us know by e-mail (robotex(at)robotex.ee) if you would like to have them ;)
Martin
Answer about dimensions
1. Is it allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm? (I guess so)
-It is not.
A: The first answer wasn't correct.
________________________________________________________________________________
2. Could you please elaborate on the first answer about dimensions with regard to carried objects? Do you mean that objects, once in control of the robot, effectively become a part of it (that seems unintuitive, might be good to update the rules) - and one must stringently design any cargo tray in/atop the robot so that objects stay within the 400x400x400 cube while carried?
- I will come back to this question as soon as possible and let you know about the answer.
A: Right answer:
A: It is allowed to carry objects on the robot when they together exceed 400x400x400 mm. But no part of robot may exceed those measurements (e.g a rope, wire,..).
Martin